Tuesday, November 08, 2005

A "Dunderhead" Proves My Point

While I have no intention of responding to "reviewers" on my Amazon page, this is one that I just couldn't pass up.

In my book Pants on Fire: How Al Franken Lies, Smears, and Deceives, One of the things I point out is how Franken, and sometimes his sock puppet, David Brock, will attack someone with documentation that actually proves the attackee was being truthful and accurate.

Last night, while appearing on MSNBC's 'The Situation with Tucker Carlson,' I pointed out that Al Franken's favorite smear agaimst Rush Limbaugh is that Rush lied when he said that the majority of minimum wage earners in America are teenagers. According to Franken, who is "scrupulous about our facts," The Bureau of Labor Statistics says that 60.1% of minimum wage earners in America are adults (or of adult age). On the show and in my book I provide the actual data and graph from the Bureau to show that Franken was wrong and his data was not even close.

So this so-called "reviewer" on my Amazon page said that I was the one lying and posted the Bureau's data to prove it. However, if you read the data closely, you see that the majority of minimum wage earners "tend to be young," proving my point.

Not surprisingly, the "reviewers" log-in name is "Nobody"

Reviewer: Nobody
"Nobody checks Bureau of Labor Statistics"
At least that's what Alan Skorski would like to be the case. However, his lies about Al Franken encouraged me to do so. I easily discovered that in his failed attempt to legitimize Limbaugh's lie that most people that earn min wage are teens he distorted readily available official Minimum Wage Earner Statistics. For his shining moment on TV, that was the best he could do. That doesn't bode well for the rest of his book. Don't waste you time or money unless you are a someone who accepts lies and propaganda over studied and accurate truth. Skorski is a poster child for lies and the lying liers who tell them.

"Minimum wage workers tend to be young. About half of all hourly-paid workers earning $5.15 or less were under age 25, and about one-fourth were age 16-19. Among teenagers, about 9 percent earned $5.15 or less. About 2 percent of workers age 25 and over earned the minimum wage or less. Among those age 65 and over, the proportion was 4 percent. (See table 1 and table 7.)"
http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2004.htm

Of course, this "reviewer" also left out another little detail. That is, that the percentages given of min. wage earners are of hourly paid workers, and not a percentage of all workers. According to the Bureau, approx. 2% of all 72 million hourly paid workers in America earn the min. wage. Quite different from the 60.1% (of adults) Al Franken claims.

48 Comments:

At 7:47 AM, Blogger vesti said...

... pointed out that Al Franken's favorite smear agaimst Rush Limbaugh is that Rush lied when he said that the majority of minimum wage earners in America are teenagers.

Nice work Alan. Too bad your "fantasy man-hero" Rush said this:

LIMBAUGH: There aren't families living on the minimum wage anyway; it's a teenage entry level job for 75% of the people earning minimum wage.

So, he was off by quite a bit - judging by your own figures, don't you think?

Not only was Rush wrong, but you compunded his inaccuracy through your own misleading statement. It's an interesting technique - getting all righteously indignant about somebody's "lies" when you're actually the one that's lying. As if you didn't know, "75%" and "majority" are two completely different things, idiot. Just like "52%" and "mandate".

I'm not exactly sure what you're selling, but the good news is that whoever is buying it is too stupid to be trusted with money in the first place. Good luck with your career as an untalented smear artist. You have about as much future in the field as Rush has as a statistician.

 
At 8:13 AM, Blogger vesti said...

According to the Bureau, approx. 2% of all 72 million hourly paid workers in America earn the min. wage. Quite different from the 60.1% (of adults) Al Franken claims.

When does Al "claim" that? Oh right, he never did. Another great piece of research. Did your mom drink a lot while you were in the womb?

You're either a liar, severely retarded, or both. Let me know when you figure it out.

 
At 9:15 AM, Blogger Indi Joe said...

I am so glad to see someone exposing Al Franken for the liar he is. Even as the truth appears on AAR from conservatives, the liberals there will automatically discount anything they don't like to read. The idealogy exposed on AAR is extreme left wing fringe of liberalism, even left wing elected officials ignore them as the nut crowd of the far left. keep up the good work

 
At 9:45 AM, Blogger vesti said...

Hey guess what! Alan made up a blogger profile (indi joe) to make it look like someone agrees with him.

Nice try, Alan! Can't wait to see that "book" of yours lose you the whole pile of cash you had to put up to the publisher.

 
At 11:31 AM, Blogger A. Skorski said...

Vesti, I see a lot of anger there. calm down boy (or girl)
First, my using "majority" instead of 75%... I was paraphrasing.

When did Al say 60.1% of min. wage earners are adults? Hmmmm...how about all the time.

 
At 12:21 PM, Blogger vesti said...

Hi Alan! No, paraphrases need to be accurate, so that's not what you did (which makes your comment another "lie" you can throw on your existing pile).

And no, Al never said that 60.1% of adults make minimum wage. In fact, if you can prove that he DID say that, I promise to take my cock out of your mother's mouth.

Have a nice day! No anger here - making you look like the idiot you are actually fills my day with sunshine! Keep lyin', bitch!

 
At 1:37 PM, Blogger A. Skorski said...

Okay Vesti, it's obvious that you are far too much an intellectual for me.

But please, please keep posting on my blog. I think the more conservatives can learn how to intellectualize like you, the better we all become.

And really, I thought jokes about "mothers" went out a long time ago.

 
At 2:08 PM, Blogger Indi Joe said...

I think the more conservatives can learn how to intellectualize like you, the better we all become.

True statement. The problem is that Vesti has no intelligence, all he does is repeat the daily liberal lie and daily liberal talking points. He is unable to come up with an original thought, and when he has nothing intelligent to say (which is most of the time), he resorts to insults.

 
At 2:20 PM, Blogger vesti said...

Alan, lose the "indi joe" persona. It's pretty transparent.

Either that, or it's your roommate/boyfriend.

You guys are too much!

 
At 2:25 PM, Blogger vesti said...

The problem is that Vesti has no intelligence ... and when he has nothing intelligent to say (which is most of the time), he resorts to insults.

Actually, if I have NO intelligence, then by definition I would NEVER have anything intelligent to say. So, you're wrong again.

But you're close - I must not be very intelligent. What person with any intellectual ability would post comments on this toilet of a blog?

Have a nice day!

 
At 2:36 PM, Blogger Indi Joe said...

Hey Vesti:

Your not slapping anyone around here. Yet you are calling for help from AAR.

Yes, I do read the crap you post on Al Frankshits blog

 
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At 2:42 PM, Blogger CrunchyKnee said...

Alan and Indi Joe, so much twisted anger and hate. You're all just tied up in knots because the party that you put all your time and energy into hates America and the Constitution.

So, Mr. Franken is your windmill to tilt at....how nice.

What is it like to put party above country? Both of you are doushebags, dig.

 
At 2:47 PM, Blogger vesti said...

Hey crunch, did you notice that indi joe is so desperate for a "blog friend" he doesn't care that alan's entire post is based on a lie? This hard-liner butt-buddy thing is truly difficult to comprehend. It's like watching Roy Cohn rope in a young boy-toy ... except Alan has no money, power, fame or talent.

:-)

 
At 2:51 PM, Blogger CrunchyKnee said...

Vesti, word on the street is watch out for Alan's mother's mouth....YIKES!

 
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There's more than 1 reason why they call her Snapper.

 
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At 2:58 PM, Blogger Veronica Sawyer said...

While I have no intention of responding to "reviewers" on my Amazon page, this is one that I just couldn't pass up.

But then you go ahead and respond, albeit in a forum in which the original reviewer has no chance to reply? I bet you hear the word douche in relation to your personality often, dontcha?

 
At 4:34 PM, Blogger KEvron said...

"According to Franken, who is "scrupulous about our facts," The Bureau of Labor Statistics says that 60.1% of minimum wage earners in America are adults (or of adult age)."

and yet:

"Quite different from the 60.1% (of adults) Al Franken claims."

hey, dumbdic? why, in the first sentence, does it say "60.1% of min wage earners", but then YOU change it to "60.1% (of adults)" in the second setence? is it that you're stoopid or just lying?

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At 5:05 PM, Blogger Skiman100 said...

Mr. Skorski-

I won't drop to "vesti"'s guttural name-calling to make my point. It's such an obvious one that bringing up your mother isn't necessary.

Franken claimed that "60.1%" of minimum wage earners are "adults".

Your claim is that only 2% of the approximately 72 million hourly wage earners in the US earn minimum wage.

These are two different points. You don't see that? They have little to do with one another.

Franken is claiming (rightly) that OF THE PERCENTAGE OF MINIMUM WAGE EARNERS IN THE US, 61% ARE ADULTS. His claim that Limbaugh lied that the "majority" of minimum wage earners are TEENAGERS (NOT ADULTS) is therefore a TRUE CLAIM. Limbaugh either LIED or was incorrect. Either way he's WRONG.

You, on the other hand, are claiming that 2% of THE ENTIRE POOL OF HOURLY WAGE EARNERS (72 million) make minimum wage. See the difference? Completely unrelated claims.

Vesti- spell this crap out to him and you don't have to reduce yourself to talking about your cock in his mother's mouth- and embarressing those of us who can articulate the issue as I just did.

 
At 5:10 PM, Blogger KEvron said...

hey, skiman?

this skorski doosh has been spam and trolling the franken blog for more than a year now. he made his bed, now vesti can lay skorski's mother in it.

 
At 5:12 PM, Blogger vesti said...

Vesti- spell this crap out to him and you don't have to reduce yourself to talking about your cock in his mother's mouth- and embarressing those of us who can articulate the issue as I just did.

Thanks for the free advice. I think you'll find that a cock in his mother's mouth is a big step up from where it should be.

If you come here thinking Alan is going to listen to reason, you're sadly mistaken. You're gonna be the "white knight" who gets him to see the error of his ways? Good luck with that.

 
At 5:20 PM, Blogger Skiman100 said...

Wow-you're quick.

His comment that "But please, please keep posting on my blog. I think the more conservatives can learn how to intellectualize like you, the better we all become", is a sad reminder that our political discourse has become, well, guttural (for lack of a better word).

I want him to address the point. It needed to be made concisely. I think I did that.

His point that "minimum wage earners are 'young'" has some validity, but it has nothing to do with the point Franken made, nor does it contradict the fact that Limbaugh LIED or was incorrect (which is basically the same thing). It certainly shouldn't have been his main "lie" GOTCHA on the Tucker Carlson show (or whatever the hell it's called).

Articulate the obvious point and see if he responds. If he doesn't, hammer him on it.

No more free advice from me, you seem to have a handle on things here. I'm just a passerby...

 
At 5:21 PM, Blogger vesti said...

BTW skiman ... the word "guttural" means "articulated in the back of the throat", not "of the gutter".

Perhaps your "articulation" isn't at the level you think it is...

 
At 5:23 PM, Blogger vesti said...

skiman - don't take anything I say too seriously. As Mozart said, "I'm a vulgar man ... but I assure you, my music is not."

Okay, Tom Hulce said that as a fictionalized Mozart, but you know what I'm saying.

 
At 5:28 PM, Blogger Skiman100 said...

Here, I'll start it now:

Skorski- you're DEAD WRONG (see my post above). Your example of Franken being a liar in regards to the Limbaugh quote is... DEAD WRONG. What do you have to say, here, on your own blog?

By the way- a second def for "guttural" is "unpleasant".

Have fun. I doubt I'll spend much time here. This guy doesn't seem to have a clue. It's unfortunate he gets TV time...

 
At 6:03 PM, Blogger The Mountain Guy said...

nice post Skiman100. Isn't that just classic right-wing spin used to confuse the issue? Lets see what allan says in response (probably nothing). But also notice that Skorski says "majority of minimum wage earners 'tend to be young,' proving my point.' Gee now we can debate about what defines 'young' and what defines 'adult'. In Skorski's world view does young = teenager? Would Skorski say someone between 20-25 is young? Did Franken say that most win wagers are NOT young? No. He said most win wagers are adult therefore what Skorski said does not even contradict what franken said.

You see this is the MO of the right and I can bet that this will be the MO of Skorski's entire book. Standard operating procedure from the right-wing attack machine who ironically accuse people like Franken of being a smear agent. I wonder who funds Skorski and if he has taken any money from that lune Richard Mellon Scaife.

Oh and vesti, I think it would be more productive if you can refrain from those kind of insults because all this will do will give fuel to those on the right to make broad sweeping generalizations about the way liberals argue so try and keep yourself under control. thanks

 
At 6:39 PM, Blogger Skiman100 said...

The problem with American political discourse is that we are ALLOWED to talk past each other without addressing the salient point. The Brits seem to get it. Their houses of Parliament routinely debate on the floor. Our version of debate is a Senator making a speech on the floor of the Senate with CSPAN looking on. This is how guys like this are able to throw out arguments as he's made here without addressing the point at hand.

Here, the debatable point (evidently addressed in this gentleman's book) is whether Frnaken "lied" about Limbaugh's "lie". It's pretty clear given the statistical evidence that Limbaugh "lied" when he said that some 75% of those earning minimum wage are teenagers. The author (Allan?) throws out a statistic that has minimal to do with the argument and then says it proves his point.

This gentleman needs to be called to the carpet. He not only did not prove his point, but he misled those reading or watching on TV that his statistics DID prove his point.

So, what's up Allan? Gotta backbone? Defend what is in black and white in your book. It's clearly BS.

 
At 6:41 PM, Blogger vesti said...

Oh and vesti, I think it would be more productive if you can refrain from those kind of insults because all this will do will give fuel to those on the right to make broad sweeping generalizations about the way liberals argue so try and keep yourself under control. thanks

First of all, I don't give a crap what anyone on the angry right thinks. They'll take orphaned babies and grind them into "fuel" if they have no other source. And if you get worried about how they perceive liberals, IMHO you've already lost because they certainly don't give a shit about you or what you think of them.

Second of all, there's NOBODY FROM THE RIGHT ON THIS SHITTY BLOG. There's just this jackass and his dorm buddy jerking each other off. He's completely irrelevant, and simply deserves to be kicked around.

Third, you have no idea what this guy's history is with long-time political bloggers. He's a dirty scab who's getting his come-uppance.

Fourth, I'm happy to match the level of discourse with whomever I'm speaking. I'm sure if you and I were having a discussion on some non-shitty-assed, respectable blog, we'd treat each other with the respect and deference each other deserves. We'd be able to disagree without insulting each other, and probably respect each other more after our conversation than before we started. But we're not at a respectable blog, we're at the home of this feces-eater and he deserves to get a tazer shoved in his rectum.

 
At 7:06 PM, Blogger Skiman100 said...

You weren't posting directly to me, but you're right in that I don't have a clue as to how many people actually read this blog. I arrived here after seeing a clip of this idiot on FoxNews with that dweeb Carlson. I bet he'll sell thousands of books instead of hundreds after that appearance.

It'll be interesting to see if he actually responds. I'm sure he has a busy calendar and is above this type of discourse (sane, I mean).

Fight the good fight- it has to be done, whether it's "guttural" or not, I guess...

 
At 7:20 PM, Blogger vesti said...

skiman - his hit counter is at 1400 or so, since the time his blog was founded. And about 300 of thise hits were from today, when a bunch of folks from the Franken Blog decided to use his blog as a pinata.

And don't worry about his book sales. He'll need to sell several thousand to make up the amount he invested in publishing costs. And keep in mind he owes 15% of all sales to his literary agency. Sleep well in the knowledge that he lost about as much money as he did when he tried to finance his own politica campaign (about $63K).

 
At 7:31 PM, Blogger A. Skorski said...

I'm not sure if you guys are finished yet, but you couldn't possibly be Franken supporters, because Al says that liberals can discuss/debate in an intellectual manner.

One of you was correct, don't remember which one, that Vesti could/does give you all a bad name.

As far as my being a spammer or some big league blogger, you have me confused with somebody else, an innocent enough mistake.

So let's move past the pleasantries, and get to the minimum wage issue lie.

You are all correct that on Tucker Carlson, who btw, extended an invitation to Franken anytime, I did say that I called the BLS...and didn't give anymore information. Of course, since you were all watching, you also heard Tucker say, "you've got 1 minute."

I spent close to a half hour on the phone with the BLS director because their graph is very confusing to a novice like myself (didn't have 14 Harvard researchers helping me).

In my book, I copied/pasted a portion of their study plus the relevant portion of the graph. There is NOTHING posted on their site that says 60.1% of minimum wage earners in America are adults or people over the age of 20.(More details are in the book)

The reason I used the words "tend to be young" is because that's the language of the BLS as they explained how they came to their conclusions.

I have no problem exchanging postings with any of you, regardless of how much you and I might be ideologically opposed. But in no way will I even begin to acknowledge someone who has the gutter mouth and incredible immaturity as a Vesti

 
At 7:42 PM, Blogger vesti said...

Nice, try Alan! You used to post on the Franken Blog as "infoguy4" and all you would do is come by, day after day, and post links to your horribly unresearched website (which you've magically converted into a horribly unresearched book).

Don't believe me? Go to google, type in "infoguy4", and check out some of the old Franken threads he used to post on (you may have to use Google cache versions to view some of them). Basically, he would log on and post:

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Every ... damn ... day.

And now this is the guy who is asking for some reasoned discourse. Sorry Alan!

Now go to one of your candy machines and get me a Zagnut, bitch.

HAVE A NICE DAY!

 
At 7:55 PM, Blogger A. Skorski said...

If Vesti and the rest of you think I am 'info guy' AKA frankenlies.com, I suggest you visit his site and if you spend a little time perusing his links and writing style, it won't take a genius to figure out that we are not one and the same.

PS Get your own Zagnut!

Good night, I'm off to watch Tucker Carlson

 
At 8:36 PM, Blogger The Mountain Guy said...

hey visti. He may not be getting a lot of hits now but expect a lot more hits. Why? A couple of reasons. If you do a google search on "Alan Skorski" it will come up as the 3rd hit. Also Skorski will undoubtebly be getting tons more exposure on FOX and other right-wing media outlets which will draw more people to him and this blog. Granted most of those drawn will be from the right but there could be some drawn that are less ideological and partisian so I still think that its best to take the high road in these kinds of debates. Also NEVER underestimate the power and influence the right-wing media has on the mainstream media. I mean the swift boat vet propaganda against Kerry was a good example of that.
Yes I don't know his posting history

 
At 8:38 PM, Blogger The Mountain Guy said...

hey visti. He may not be getting a lot of hits now but expect a lot more hits. Why? A couple of reasons. If you do a google search on "Alan Skorski" it will come up as the 3rd hit. Also Skorski will undoubtebly be getting tons more exposure on FOX and other right-wing media outlets which will draw more people to him and this blog. Granted most of those drawn will be from the right but there could be some drawn that are less ideological and partisian so I still think that its best to take the high road in these kinds of debates. Also NEVER underestimate the power and influence the right-wing media has on the mainstream media. I mean the swift boat vet propaganda against Kerry was a good example of that.
Yes I don't know his posting history

 
At 9:10 PM, Blogger Skiman100 said...

Skorski:


Okay, I'll bite.

I did a cursory search on the BLS and found it difficult to navigate (as, obviously, you did).

But, rather than giving up, I did a simple google search on Franken AND Limbaugh AND minimum wage.

I came across a conservative blog that makes my point nicely:

http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2005/05/caught-in-another-dubious-claim.html

While (in 15 minutes (and, no, I don't have dozens of Harvard grads working for me either)) I didn't find support of Franken's claim (61% of minimum wage earners are "adults") I also didn't find anything to contradict his claim. Maybe those Harvard grads are better researchers than, well, you.

Back to the point: Limbaugh claimed that 75% of minimum wage earners are teenagers. Franken said this was a lie. According to this conservative blog (that was trying to make the opposite point) Franken is right, Limbaugh is wrong.

Here's the relevant text:

You see where Al Franken accused Rush of "pulling stuff out of his butt" regarding minimum wage workers, then does the exact same thing?

There are 73,939,000 hourly workers in the U.S. in 2004. Of those, 2 million worked at the federal minimum wage, or less. This makes up just 2.7% of hourly workers and 1.44% of the total employed workforce of 139,252,000.

Of those making at or below the federal minimum wage 51% are under 25 years old, and 24.9% are between 16 and 19 years old.


Can you comprehend the bold text?

A full ONE QUARTER of those making minimum wage are teenagers (16-19). A far cry from Limbaugh's lie that THREE QUARTERS are teenagers.

I have a feeling you got some of your information from the same source as this conservative blog did , and interpreted those statistics as poorly as this blog did.

So, Limbaugh was wrong (LIED) about 75% of MINIMUM WAGE EARNERS being teenagers. Franken was RIGHT.

Can you PROVE that Franken is wrong (LYING) about the BLS stats that say 61% of MINIMUM WAGE EARNERS are adults? That's your contention, isn't it?

 
At 9:12 PM, Blogger Skiman100 said...

Skorski:


Okay, I'll bite.

I did a cursory search on the BLS and found it difficult to navigate (as, obviously, you did).

But, rather than giving up, I did a simple google search on Franken AND Limbaugh AND minimum wage.

I came across a conservative blog that makes my point nicely:

http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2005/05/caught-in-another-dubious-claim.html

While (in 15 minutes (and, no, I don't have dozens of Harvard grads working for me either)) I didn't find support of Franken's claim (61% of minimum wage earners are "adults") I also didn't find anything to contradict his claim. Maybe those Harvard grads are better researchers than, well, you.

Back to the point: Limbaugh claimed that 75% of minimum wage earners are teenagers. Franken said this was a lie. According to this conservative blog (that was trying to make the opposite point) Franken is right, Limbaugh is wrong.

Here's the relevant text:

You see where Al Franken accused Rush of "pulling stuff out of his butt" regarding minimum wage workers, then does the exact same thing?

There are 73,939,000 hourly workers in the U.S. in 2004. Of those, 2 million worked at the federal minimum wage, or less. This makes up just 2.7% of hourly workers and 1.44% of the total employed workforce of 139,252,000.

Of those making at or below the federal minimum wage 51% are under 25 years old, and 24.9% are between 16 and 19 years old.


Can you comprehend the bold text?

A full ONE QUARTER of those making minimum wage are teenagers (16-19). A far cry from Limbaugh's lie that THREE QUARTERS are teenagers.

I have a feeling you got some of your information from the same source as this conservative blog did , and interpreted those statistics as poorly as this blog did.

So, Limbaugh was wrong (LIED) about 75% of MINIMUM WAGE EARNERS being teenagers. Franken was RIGHT.

Can you PROVE that Franken is wrong (LYING) about the BLS stats that say 61% of MINIMUM WAGE EARNERS are adults? That's your contention, isn't it?

 
At 9:36 PM, Blogger Skiman100 said...

Lets make a further point, one that I don't need to buy your book to make:

According to the statistics from the conservative blog I cited earlier, 24.9% of 16-19 year olds make up the 100% making minimum wage. In addition, 51% are under 25 years old.

So, what's an "adult"? From what I've read that can't be discerned from Franken's comments. If we assume that an adult is 21 or older, Franken's contention is well within the statistical framework. Unless, of course, of the remaining 26% between the ages of 20-24, all or most of that 26% are 20. And, even if that ridiculous assertion proves true, we're still a far cry from Limbaugh's 75% contention.

If an "adult" is defined as 18 or older, then Franken's contention is even MORE RIGHT (if such a thing is possible). Franken would be low-balling the figure of 61%. It would be more like 80-90% of adults are working for minimum wage. Not the 25% Limbaugh contends (75% teenagers means 25% "adults").

See where this goes, Allan? I'll wait for a rebuttal.

 
At 7:24 AM, Blogger ezert said...

I notice Skorski still has not adressed his shell game with the stats. Franken claims the majority of minimum-wage-earners are adults. You claim he's a liar cause only 2 percent (i'll just trust you're correct about this) of adults earn minimum wage. But those are two very different statistics. Why don't you adress this. I caught it after one quick glance at your post. Either you are a dishonest man, or not bright.

 
At 7:48 AM, Blogger Crankyboy said...

It's funny to call Al a liar since he plays audio clips of the right wing talking heads and factually proves them wrong. As for the minimum wage issue Oxycontin boy Rushbo said 75% of minimum wage earners were TEENAGERS in their FIRSt job. He was wrong. He made it up. Al was right. Keep believing in the liars. Destroy truth and the country even more. Sell your books. Get rich. That's all you care about.

 
At 11:08 AM, Blogger Red Tory said...

It's not difficult to change one's writing style, so that's hardly convincing by way of evidence that you are NOT the same individual. You certainly appear to share the same crazed obsession with Al Frankin and his supposed "lies" as did the fellow who spammed the AAR blog for ages pimping his Frankenlies.com website. In any case, I would imagine that was certainly a precursor to the book.

I've heard it's not getting terribly good reviews. Even from those on the right who dislike Franken. Oh well. There's always that gig with the right-wing media firm you work for and another election cycle where you can flail away at the Democrats in the 3rd District again.

Good luck with that. ;-)

 
At 2:30 PM, Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

Seriously? I'm completely baffled how someone would write a book trying to discredit someone who is famous for discrediting liars - BY LYING!

One hint. If you want to discredit Frankin, don't use O'Reilly as your poster boy. His lies are legendary and easily proven.

MediaMatters.org did an excellent debunking job.

 
At 2:31 PM, Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

Seriously? I'm completely baffled how someone would write a book trying to discredit someone who is famous for discrediting liars - BY LYING!

One hint. If you want to discredit Frankin, don't use O'Reilly as your poster boy. His lies are legendary and easily proven. MediaMatters.org did a really good job of debunking it.

 
At 3:33 PM, Blogger xcoyle said...

I spent close to a half hour on the phone with the BLS director because their graph is very confusing to a novice like myself (didn't have 14 Harvard researchers helping me).

Alan, are you kidding me? You wrote a book about this, you used this as your one sure fire “lie” on an undeserved appearance on the Tucker Carlson show. Now it’s “confusing” and you’re a “novice.” The only truthful statement you have made about this is that you are “confused” and a “novice.”

Well, I too am a novice (meaning I have not written a book and have not appeared on national television regarding this information). And it took me all of about 10 minutes to understand the chart, linked below.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2004tbls.htm

The chart does all the math. The middle section, titled “Percent distribution” gives the exact percentages for each category of the first section titled “Number of works.” 16 to 19 year olds make up 24.8% of the total min. wage workers. Rush said 75%. So he actually inverted his statistics. That is a big difference and should be pointed out. So, thank you Al Franken. Alan, you reduced Rush’s percentage from 75%, to a majority, and did not mention it. It is a purposeful error within your lie. Unfortunately for you, the “purposeful error” does not make your lie truthful. 51% (majority) and 24.8% are also not close. So, thank you David Brock for posting the statistics on Media Matters.

Alan if you used a different chart for your book, maybe a year other than 2004, please post a link. Because the 2004 chart may have skewed your conclusion because the number of people making minimum wage is increasing so fast under Bush that you were correct if you used Clinton era numbers. (Alan that is a joke, do not start a discussion on the number of people now on minimum wage versus under Clinton). I want you to stick to this topic and either prove your point or admit you and Rush were wrong.

Saying you’re a novice and these charts are confusing, and “I meant young people” rather than “teenagers” is not proving your point. They are excuses!

Lastly, if you look up “guttural” on dictionary.com and than hit the Thesaurus link, “inarticulate” is one of the words that comes up. So Skiman did use the word correctly, if he intended it to mean “inarticulate.” Then again his intent may have been gutter, who knows.

 
At 10:12 AM, Blogger S.Welnack said...

Skorski !!!!.... just heard you 700 WLW with Mike McConnel. Al (Franken)is a political humorist, and a damn good one. As I listened to you on 700 wlw it was easy to decipher that you, on the other hand, are a talentless simpleton... who is about as deep and interesting as a sink full of dish water ! Al (Franken) has more wit in the end of his little pinky finger than a dullard of your ilk could futiley try to muster in a dozen life times. Perhaps you should stop letting the likes of Rush, Hannity, and O'Riley do your thinking for you.

 
At 10:21 AM, Blogger S.Welnack said...

Skorski !!!!.... just heard you 700 WLW with Mike McConnel. Al (Franken)is a political humorist, and a damn good one. As I listened to you on 700 wlw it was easy to decipher that you, on the other hand, are a talentless simpleton... who is about as deep and interesting as a sink full of dish water ! Al (Franken) has more wit in the end of his little pinky finger than a dullard of your ilk could futiley try to muster in a dozen life times. Perhaps you should stop letting the likes of Rush, Hannity, and O'Riley do your thinking for you.

 
At 9:29 PM, Blogger progressive in texas said...

SInce the quote you used was from the 2003 statistics site, I assume that your numbers are as well. Here is what those numbers say. ALl of you are wrong, and Franken UNDERESTIMATED the %. First, according to the table there are approximately 2100000 minimum wage workers in America (in 2003). 1106000 of them were 16-24 yrs. 534000 are 16-19 yrs, and 995000 are 25 or older. So, 1106000-534000 is 537000. 537000 plus 995000 is 1532000. 1532000 divided by 2100000 is approximately 74%. So 74% of the minimum wage earners in America are NOT teenagers. Perhaps Rush is dyslexic? Or just likes to lie because he likes it? But basic math and reading literacy can get you to this summary yourslef, just go to the website, and check the numbers. Please correct me if I am wrong here....
Your error was in trying to add in too many unrelated statistics- a minority of all populations make minimum wage or less- but of those that do, most are not teenagers- that was the point. If you choose not to hear it, no one can make you.
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